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Searching for a Heartbeat in Poetry & Music
You can enjoy your time.
I certainly didn't know that.
The sun is gone but there's a little bit of blue.
The poem as a gesture of its speaking and the gesture of its meaning-making?
So how is composing a poem like talking to someone? Seriously, and for real, and not in the Ted Kooser way, with his faux-genial pretense? This has been at the very heart of what I've been grappling with recently. How are these sentences trying to do something and how are they trying not to do something? Right? I mean, if we mostly don't understand each other in regular conversation, how much more difficult must talking through art be? So why would anyone try? But then again, we are really just talking to each other, aren't we? So? What do we, as artists, really do with this IS / ISN’T of language as communicative tool?
I'm vexed by communication (in all contexts, usually). I don't know if this means anything much to anyone else, but one of the things I really like about some poems is how they come to inhabit their speaking, and if that’s a profitable way of looking at poetry, or some poetry, then this idea of composing by "what might I want to say to someone" might be profitable, at least for me, at least to get a thought started in the compositional process. But along with that goes the idea of the poem really just being about the action of the poem unfolding. Which is, the true subject of art is the process of the art getting made, right? The frame isn't about the art, the art is about the frame.
I love sentences like that, which is one of the main things I love about art, the way it inhabits the gesture of its meaning, but in the end for rather non-practical aims. But to say a word like “aims” means that there might BE an aim, and if so, a purpose. And the idea of a purpose flies directly against much of what I’ve used in my compositional practice. When poets talk about their “purpose” it usually leaves me reaching for a rope to hang myself.
And this other idea of purpose, the purpose toward the poem revealing the poem: how might the poem be about the poem unfolding? Ashbery seems to do this a lot in his work, and Michael Palmer, and, in the past, Jorie Graham, the way they have the gestures of “what’s going on here is” folded into the content of the poem unfolding. And of course, this gesture can be overused, and become as hollow as “Dear reader, oh woe is my poem unfolding,” but, I believe, all poets, to some degree, inhabit this gesture (though sometimes through a rather willed evasion of the gesture – which may be cheating on my part here I know), which is just the same conversational gesture we all inhabit with each other, right? “I’m the kind of person who…” or “what I mean here is.” It’s a gesture that’s as old as the invocation of the muses, isn’t it?
There’s a radical kind of ongoingness to this gesture (in its contemporary manifestation), this conversational and self-reflexive gesture. And there’s a terror in its existentialism, its constant passing of toll booths, and the way that there is a destination implied by it all, a totality, that could turn solipsistic way too easily (and often does, right?), but there’s also a way that some poets just play with it as a sort of juggling act without consequence, which becomes its own sort of solipsism.
This idea of conversational onoingness (I’m also thinking of Charles Wright here, and Martha Ronk) is fraught with real consequence, though at moments it often appears slight . . . and then another but, as in, if you look at any of our lives, slicing off a moment, chances are it’ll look rather slight (“life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans” as John Lennon sang it). It’s a gesture into ongoingness. The whole becomes the one. (“They all sound the same. It’s all one song.” As Neil Young sang it).
What all this is leading up to I haven’t a clue, but it seems more about poetry than poems, more about a fidelity of attention to what words do and are, and less about making the one great poem that workshops seem hell bent on pointing us at. Donald Revell, at the panel on John Ashbery that I was on at AWP said, in answer to a question from Mark Halliday regarding the value judging of Ashbery’s individual poems, said, “I’m tired of great poems.”
There’s something in that that I deeply admire. It’s a throwing off of the impulse of the Grecian urn, and toward living the thing out. At some point, you just have to start talking. It sounds like freedom to me. I feel released from something I didn’t know I needed to be released from. And into talking, even if I don’t really have a clue what that is.
Here are some pictures that I had on my camera from my recent trip to NYC. I just feel like sharing this morning. I'm a giver, what can I say?
A friend of mine, yes, but I knew of his poetry before that, which is how we ended up meeting. Which brings to mind the topic of poets who are friends. Most every friend of mine who is a poet (except people I've met through school, I suppose), I first knew of through her or his poetry.
Seems there should be more of a comment I could make about that. Something about poet friends being different than other kinds of friends. But what are other kinds of friends like? I'm friendly with the guy across the street, Mark. But he plays the guitar, and we talk about music quite a lot. Does that make him a music friend, then, or does it just mean that we're friends with people with whom we share interests, and with whom we find it fun to talk? Well, obviously.
Well, nevermind, then, I guess there really isn't more of a comment to make. Oh well. Reginald's book is excellent. If you haven't gotten a copy yet, go to Poetry Daily and check out this poem, then go to Amazon.com and buy it. Amazon.com always has great deals. My book's something like $10.17 or something . . .
Today’s Poem
Eve's Awakeningby Reginald Shepherd
• from Fata Morgana
• University of Pittsburgh Press
Featured Poet
Reginald ShepherdReginald Shepherd is the author of four books of poetry: Otherhood, a finalist for the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize; Wrong; Angel, Interrupted; and Some Are Drowning, winner of the Associated Writing Programs' Award.
Featured Book
Fata Morgana"Fata Morgana is a stunning collection by one of our most fiercely intelligent lyricists of myth and imagination.”—Bruce Beasley
Gary McDowell tagged me to list five songs that knock my socks off.
Neil Young: Like a Hurricane
The Flaming Lips: Do You Realize??
Talking Heads: Heaven
Harry Nilsson: Everybody’s Talking
The Beatles: Tomorrow Never Knows
It seems the only time I ever tagged somone, they'd already been tagged. But I'll try it again with C. Dale Young, Matthew Thorburn, and Mary Biddinger.
Well, oh well. It seems I've returned home to a very wet Missouri. The close to nine inches of rain that fell on my house were a bit too much for the basement, it seems. I'll be scraping up and sneezing mold for quite some time.
Does anyone have some nice shipwrecked house poems for me? I had myself thinking of Oppen this morning, down there with my gloves and a crowbar.
Anyone want pictures?
Does anyone have an aspirin or two?
Picture one: The outside of the 11th Street Bar located between Avenues A & B.
Picture two: John Gallaher -- I spent my days on little walking tours as the place I was staying turned me out every morning at 7:00. By the time od this reading I was sporting a bit of a sunburn. And very red eyes. You can see just a bit of Mary Austin Speaker in this shot. She was co-host of the event (along with Kaveh Bassiri), and introduced my reading.
Picture three: C. Dale Young -- Now that I've read with him these three times, it's going to feel odd when I read without him. Would anyone like to host us both? Keep the drive alive? (How, by the way, does one spell "Shazaam"? Is that correct?)
Picture three: Linda Gregerson -- I hadn't met her before. She has a very good reading delivery. And she was very nice to talk to after the reading.
Picture four: There's my book and reading notes!
What a great series this is. Go to their website to read more, including poems from most of their readers (which includes some from Mary Austin Speaker as well -- as she's redaing there this week!)
Reading this past Sunday at the Bowery Poetry Club & Cafe was wonderful. I got to meet some people I'd only known through their work (Matthew Thorburn & Mary Lou Buschi, and others), as well as several people associated with Four Way Books (but more about that some other day). I've now figured out the subway system, which is pretty easy but for two things: one, they change up quite a bit after 11 p.m., and two, finding the actual entrances to the subway is sometimes difficult for the novice. Since I was there from Friday through Wednesday, I had plenty of time for little walking tours (Up from 96th Street and then down through Central Park -- Central Park is beautiful right now, across Houston Street and around the Bowery, up to Union Square and The Strand, around Tribeca and then down to the Staton Island ferry, and a nice little walk around Coney Island.)
Manhattan is a crystal. There's always everything going on.
Lytton Smith took these pictures.
Picture one: The outside of the Bowery Poetry Club & Cafe (I took this one)
Picture two: John Gallaher (I think the red eyes here make me look fancy, what do you think?)
Picture three: Kimiko Hahn
Picture four: C. Dale Young
Picture five: Lynn Emanuel
Can you tell how much fun we were having? (A lot, in case you can't)
That said, here's Part Two: What They Say About Us
I’ve always been mildly shocked when anyone, for any reason, characterized anything about me. More a shock of, “huh? Someone noticed?” than anything else. Do you know what I mean? Personally as well as in poetry.
I remember the same thing back when I was taking workshops, I was less shocked by what they said about my poetry than the fact that said anything at all. I still get that feeling. At readings, this spring, David Dodd Lee and Mary Austin Speaker both said things, characterized my poetry, while introducing me, making me feel all loopy walking up to the microphone. (I don't meant this in a bad way, but in the way that people see things in my work differently than I do, so that when they say things to me it's gets me all thinking about it from this other perspective that makes me all thoughtful. That's probably a good way to be before reading, I suppose.)
The same thing happens with reviews, doesn’t it? The thought that someone actually read the book, in this age of prose . . . it’s less the positive / negative qualities than the engagement that comes out of the association. Of course, one wants such an exchange to be positive, but I’m not here thinking of my own narcissism than I am thinking of the process itself. That said, there’s been a review posted by Kevin Killian on Amazon.com of my book that has me fascinated. They're closer to home, of course, when they are about us, but it also happens that I read reviews of books I've enjoyed or disliked, and often get shocked by, not just the different take, but the completely different angle.
And on a different note, it’s always interesting for me to see the poems of mine that others tag, or mention to me, or mention in a review, or to post on a blog, or Verse Daily or Poetry Daily. It’s all so fascinating. And ephemeral as well as permanent.
And, if we read these things, or listen to them when spoken to us, what do they do to us? Do we gravitate toward wanting to be what people say of us? Do we run screaming from the room? And then, what do we think of what we’re doing? As this is a conversation in monologues, what do I, or what should I, say to myself about what I want from what I’m writing . . . or what I’m trying to do?
And then, how much overt awareness of such things is important, and how much is it distracting from the engagement of the process of art . . . or is such awareness, or attempts at awareness, the true gesture of art? Something like that?
Can I get a witness?